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 Post subject: WotLK - Pre-Raiding Gear List
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:37 am 
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Hey. So, first time to do an -i hope- useful contribution here, i'm trying to compile a list of the best pre-raid gear available. I'll try to list at least 15 items per slot, keeping in line with the same style the BRGA has. That said, i will only list the total pseudopower value, and not the full calculations, because that'd take even more work, and i'm using wowhead with customized stat weights to make the list. I will list the value with spellhit in parenthesis, though. Only items obtainable through crafting, questing, 5-mans, reputation and emblems of heroism will be posted, nothing that you could only get from raids. More format soon to come, wanted to make the thread first and get some input. Apologise for the grammar, english is not my main language.
Note: I have not added anything from Outlands. The reason for this is that i didn't want to add stuff that new players wouldn't have easy access to (say, belt of blasting or spellstrike set, those mats are not-so-easily obtained anymore. Same thing with BoJ items). If you happen to have some pieces that are better than most of what it is posted here, just check their pp value and adjust acordingly... i know i will be keeping my belt of blasting, and probably my badge pants for a while...


The weights i'm using, as per the BRGA thread list, are:
* 1 spellpower = 1 PP
* 1 crit rating = 0.61 PP
* 1 haste = 0.56 PP
* 1 spirit = 0.21 PP
* 1 int = 0.19 PP
* 1 hit = 1.12 PP (when not hit-capped)

Gem choices for now will be Runed Scarlet Ruby (19pp), and Chaotic Skyflare Diamond (36.61) on metagem slots. I know it doesn't make sense because full rubies won't let you equip the CSD, so i'll add more later, i'm not sure if it's worth it though.

To-Do List:
*PvP Gear: I need someone to tell me which pvp gear to add to the list... there are way too many, and i don't know what's easy to get and what you need to have 2500 arena rating to get... and i don't want to add more than 2-3 pvp pieces per slot.
*Trinkets: I have no idea how to value trinkets, i know, i'm retarded, but i need help with that too. Edit: Just added trinkets, could use a review on my calculations xD
*Gems: Replace gems with Runed Bloodstone, considering most people won't be using blue gems in pre-raid gear, and add
Purified Shadow Crystal - 8.26pp and Potent Huge Citrine - 10.66pp when the socket bonuses would make them better. You should see some items pp change a bit.


Helm
#1 Visage Liquification Googles – Crafted, Engineering
199.51
#2 Crown of Unbridled Magic – Cache of Eregos, Hero Occulus
158.51
#2 Forgotten Shadow Hood – Salramm the Fleshcrafter, Hero Culling of Strat
158.51
#3 Flamebringer's Crown – Quest, Storm Peaks
132
#4 Volkhan's Hood – Volkhan, Hero Halls of Lightning
124
#4 Cowl of the Vindictive Captain – Quest, Utgarde Pinnacle
124
#5 Frostsavage Cowl – Crafted, Tailoring
118
#6Hat of Wintry Doom – Crafted, Tailoring
117.51 (167.67)
#7 Elder Headpiece – Elder Nadox, Hero Old Kingdom
117
#7 Cowl of the Dire Troll – Trollgore, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
117
#8 Shock-Proof Head Protector – Quest, Icecrown
115
#9 Static Cowl – Sjonnir The Ironshaper, Halls of Stone
107
#10 Gaze of the Punishing Contrsuct – Quest, Sholazar Basin
100
#11 Mildred's Cowl - Quest, The Storm Peaks
97 (130.06)
#12 Duskweave Cowl – Crafted, Tailoring
92
#13 The Argent Skullcap - Quest Reward, Icecrown
79 (148)

Enchant: Arcanum of Burning Mysteries – Revered, The Kirin Tor
42.2


Neck
#1Titanium Spellshock Necklace – Crafted, Jewelcrafting BoE
100
#2Lattice Chocker of Light – 25 BoH
87
#3Amulet of the Spell Flinger – Amanitar, Hero Old Kingdom
82
#4Encircling Burnished Gold Chains – 25 BoH
73 (101)
#5Blood sun Necklace – Crafted, Jewelcrafting BoE
71
#6Choker of Betrayal – Quest, Zul'Drak
66
#7Necromancer's Amulet – Salramm the Fleshcrafter, Hero Culling of Strat
66
#8Dragon Prow Amulet – Zone Drop, Hero Utgarde Keep
65
#9Amulet of the Crusade – Quest, Icecrown
64
#9Pendant of Shadow Beams – Zuramat the Obliterator, Violet Hold
64
#9Emeline's Locket – Quest, Icecrown
64 (92)
#10Zuramat's Necklace – Zuramat the Obliterator, Hero Violet Hold
61
#10Raine's Chocker of Combustion – World Drop
61
#11Artrui's Focus Stone – Quest, Sholazar Basin
60
#12Chaotic Spiral Amulet – Loken, Halls of Lightning
59
#13Necklace of Taldaram - Prince Taldaram, Hero Old Kingdom
56 (104)


Shoulders
#1Dark Runic Mantle – Trash drop, Hero Halls of Stone
115
#2Runecaster's Mantle – Trash drop, Hero Utgarde Keep
105
#3Mantle of the Tribunal – Tribunal Chest, Hero Halls of Stone
103
#4Duskweave Shoulders – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
98
#5Fur-Lined Shoulder Warmers – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
92
#6Frostsavage Shoulders – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
87
#6Mantle of Deceit – Dark Runed Chest, Hero Culling of Strat
87
#7Matle of the Intrepid Explorer – Quest Reward, Halls of Stone
84
#8Mantle of the Flesh Giant - Quest Reward, Icecrown
80
#8Weeping Mantle – Quest Reward, Icecrown
80
#9Mantle of the Dark Messenger – Quest Reward, Icecrown
78
#9Mantle of Electrical Charges – General Bjarngrim, Halls of Lightning
78
#9Silken Amice of the Ymirjar – Skadi the Ruthless, Utgarde Pinnacle
78
#10Mantle of the Underhalls – Quest Reward, Icecrown
76 (99.52)
#11Mantle of Thwarted Evil – Quest Reward, Old Kingdom
74

Enchant: Greater Inscription of the Storm – Exalted, The sons of Hodir
33.15


Back
#1Deathchill Cloak – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
114
#2Ancient Dragon Spirit Cape – Cache of Eregos, Hero Oculus
80
#3Reanimator's Cloak – Trash Drop, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
73
#3Shroud of Dedicated Research – Honored, Kirin Tor
73
#4Bloodbane's Fall – Quest Reward, Icecrown
66
#4Wispcloak – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
66
#4Shroud of Moorabi – Moorabi, Hero Gundrak
66
#5Polished Protodrake Cloak – Quest Reward, Sholazar Basin
61
#6Subterranean Waterfall Shroud – Jedoga Shadowseeker, Hero Old Kingdom
58
#7Cloak of Frozen Spirits – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
55
#7Oil-Stained Tarp – 50 Venture Coin, Grizzly Hills
55
#8Lightning Beetle's Cape – Quest Rewad, Sholazar Basin
54
#9Cape of Seething Steam – Volkhan, Halls of Lightning
53 (86.48)
#9Dark Soldier Cape – Honored, Knights of the Ebon Blade
53 (86.48)
#9Zoe's Comforting Cape – World Drop
53

Enchant: Haste – Enchanting
12.88


Chest
#1Spellweave Robe – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
177
#2Drakewing Raiments – Drakos the Interrogator, Hero Oculus
158
#2Egg Sac Robes – Hadronox, Hero Azjol-Nerub
158
#3Heroe's Raiments of Faith – 80 BoH
148 (196.16)
#4Arcane Flame Altar-Garb – Gal'darah, Hero Gundrak
143
#4Ornate Woolen Stola – Loken, Hero Halls of Lightning
143
#5Robes of Crackling Flame – Exalted, Kirin Tor
142
#6Vestments of the Scholar – Cache of Eregos, Oculus
134
#7Black Duskweave Robe – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
128
#8Ebonweave Robe – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
123 (199.16)
#8Water-Drenched Robe – Ichoron, Hero Violet Hold
123 (192.44)
#9Raiments of the Titans – Loken, Halls of Lightning
122
#10Mystic Frostwoven Robe – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
119
#11Frostsavage Robe – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
118
#12Hyldnir Runeweaver's Garb – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
117

Enchant: Powerful Stats – Enchanting
4.06


Wrist
#1Azure Cloth Bindings – Cyanigosa, Hero Violet Hold
97
#2Cuffs of Winged Levitation – Cache of Eregos, Hero Oculus
91
#3Savage Wound Wrap – King Dred, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
81
#3Ancestral Sinew Wristguards – Revered, Wymrest Accord
81
#4Verdisa's Cuffs of Dreaming – Drakos the Interrogator, Oculus
74
#5Black Duskweave Wristwraps – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
72
#6Frostsavage Bracers – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
64
#6Cuffs of the Trussed Hall – Svala Sorrowgrave, Hero Utgarde Pinnacle
64
#7Shameful Cuffs - Quest Reward, Drak'Tharon Keep
62
#7Smuggler's Bracers - Quest Reward, Icecrown
62
#7Cuffs of Gratitude – Quest Reward, Oculus
62
#8Flame Sphere Bindings – Prince Taldaram, Hero Old Kingdom
60
#9Gryphon Rider's Bracers – Quest Reward, Icecrown
59
#10Wristguard of the Bone Witch – Quest Reward, Icecrown
58
#10Demonic Fabric Bands – Dark Runed Chest, Culling of Strat
58
#11 Fleshwerk Shackles – Quest Reward, Icecrown
49.8 (78.92)

Enchant: Superior Spellpower – Enchanting
30


Hands
#1Heroes' Handwraps of Faith – 60 BoH
146
#2Spellweave Gloves – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
130
#3Gloves of Glistening Runes – Keristrasza, Hero Nexus
128
#4Silken Bridge Handwraps – Amanitar, Hero Old Kingdom
114
#5Traditionally Dyed Handwraps – General Bjarngrim, Hero Halls of Lightning
113
#6Giant-Hair Woven Gloves – Volkhan, Hero Halls of Lightning
107
#7Overlook Handguards - The Prophet Tharon'ja, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
100
#8Gloves of Distorted Time - Chrono-Lord Epoch, Hero Culling of Strat
97
#9Ebonweave Gloves - Crafted, Tailoring BoE
90 (147.12)
#9Gloves of the Servant - Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
90
#10Gloves of the Crystal Gardener – Ormorok the Tree-Shaper, Hero Nexus
88
#11Sterile Flesh-Handling Gloves – Revered, Knights of the Ebon Blade
87
#11Frostsavage Gloves – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
87
#12K3 Surgeon's Gloves – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
85

Enchant: Exceptional Spellpower – Enchanting
28


Waist
#1Sash of the Servant – Anub'arak, Hero Azjol-Nerub
125
#2Plush Sash of Guzbah – 40 BoH
121 (157.96)
#3Belt of Dark Mending – Exalted, Knights of the Ebon Blade
118
#4Living Mojo Belt – Drakkari Elemental, Hero Gundrak
114
#5Sash of Jordan – World Drop
107
#6Elegant Temple Gardens' Girdle – 40 BoH
105
#7Girdle of Bane – King Ymiron, Hero Utgarde Pinnacle
94 (147.76)
#7Flowing Sash of Order – Loken, Hero Halls of Lightning
94 (128.72)
#8Deep Frozen Cord – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
93
#9Sash of Phantasmal Images – Mage-Lord Urom, Hero Oculus
88
#10Frostsavage Belt – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
87
#11Shimmerthread Girdle – World Drop
83
#12Sly Mojo Sash – Quest Reward, Gundrak
79
#13Belt of Unified Souls – Meathook, Hero Culling of Strat
78 (125.04)
#14Fishy Cinch Revered, The Oracles
77
#15Sash of the Wizened Wyrm Honored, Wyrmrest Accord
70 (115)

Enchant: Eternal Belt Buckle – Blacksmithing
19


Legs
#1Woven Bracae Leggins – Loken, Hero Halls of Lightning
173
#2Sorrowgrave's Breeches – Svala Sorrowgrave – Hero Utgarde Pinnacle
151
#3Trousers of the Arakkoa – Erekem, Violet Hold
138
#4Breeches of the Caller – Ingvar the Plunderer, Hero Utgarde Keep
136
#5Black Duskweave Leggings – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
130
#6Leggings of Renewed Hope – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
126
#7Leggings of the Ruins Dweller – Eck the Ferocious, Hero Gundrak
120
#8Frostsavage Leggings – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
118
#8Skirt of the Old Kingdom – Herald Volazj, Hero Old Kingdom
118
#8Cyanigosa's Leggings – Cyanigosa, Hero Violet Hold
118
#8Opposed Stasis Leggings – Trash Drop, Hero Nexus
118
#9Snowdrift Pantaloons – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
107
#10Ring-Lord's Leggings – Trash Drop, Hero Oculus
104
#11Kilt of Deific Torment – Quest Reward, Grizzly Hills
99
#12Soiled Trousers – Quest Reward, Zul'Drak
97

Enchant: Brilliant Spellthread – Tailoring
54.06


Feet
#1Sandals of Crimson Fury – Exalted, The Wyrmrest Accord
135
#2Cleric's Linen Shoes – Trash Drop, Hero Nexus
119
#3Stone-Worn Footwraps – Krik'thir the Gatewatcher, Hero Azjol-Nerub
113
#4Slithering Slippers – Slad'ran, Hero Gundrak
112
#5Silky Iceshard Boots - Crafted, Tailoring BoE
98
#5The Conjurer's Slippers – Mage-Lord Urom, Hero Oculus
98
#6Footwraps of Teleportation – Xevozz, Hero Violet hold
97
#7Frostsavage Boots – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
87
#8The Darkspeaker's Footpads – Quest Reward, Icecrown
79
#8Boots of the Howling Winds – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
79
#8Kilix's Silk Slippers – Quest Reward, Azjol-Nerub
79
#9Fur-lined Moccasins – Quest Reward, Gundrak
78
#9Aurora Slippers – Crafted, Tailoring BoE
78
#10Duke Lankral's Velvet Slippers – Quest Reward, Icecrown
77
#11Slippers of the Broken Front – Quest Reward, Icecrown
75
#12Leiah's Footpads – Quest Reward, Icecrown
55 (103.16)


Enchant: Icewalker - Enchanting
21.2


Finger
#Signet of the Kirin Tor – 8500g, Daralan
103
#Titanium Spellshock Ring – Crafted, Jewelcrafting BoE
100
#Band of Guile – Dark Runed Chest, Hero Culling of Strat
94
#Annhylde's Ring – Ingvar the Plunderer, Hero Utgarde Keep
93
#Signet of Hopeful Light – Exalted, Argent Crusade
88
#Ring of Temerity – Quest Reward, Oculus
84
#Ring of the Traitor King – Anub'arak, Hero Violet Hold
84
#Globule Signet – Ichoron, Hero Violet Hold
83
#Ring of the Frenzied Wolvar – Gortok Palehoof, Hero Utgarde Pinnacle
80
#Solitaire of Reflecting Beams – Moragg, Hero Violet Hold
80
#Ring of Northern Tears – Crafted, Jewelcrafting BoE
78 (112.72)
#Signet of Ranulf – King Ymiron, Utgarde Pinnacle
73
#Spectral Seal of the Prophet – The Prophet Tharon'ja, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
67
#Lion's Head Ring – Quest Reward, Gundrak
62
#The Prospector's Prize – Krystallus, Hero Halls of Stone
31 (88.12)

Enchant: Greater Spellpower
19


Main Hand*
#1Titansteel Guardian – Crafted, Blacksmithing BoE
594
#2War Mace of Unrequited Love – Keristrasza, Hero Nexus
505
#3Staff of Draconic Combat – Cache of Eregos, Hero Oculus
489
#4Gavel of the Brewing Storm – Revered, Wyrmrest Accord
476
#5Netherbreath Spellblade – Skadi the Ruthless, Utgarde Keep
484
#6Flameheart Spell Scalpel – Revered, Kirin Tor
464 (502.08)
#7Gavel of the Fleshcrafter – Salramm the Fleshcrafter, Hero Culling of Strat
448
#8Totemic Purification Rod – Revered, Kalu'ak
427
#9Beguiling Scepter – Dark Runed Chest, Culling of Strat
426
#10Staff of Wayward Principles – Skadi the Ruthless, Hero Utgarde Pinnacle
425
#11Staff of Sinister Claws – Herald Volazj, Hero Old Kingdom
424
#12Cudgel of Saronite Justice – Crafted, Blacksmithing BoE
396
#13Frozen Scepter of Necromancy – Moorabi, Gundrak
385
#14Screw-Sprung Fixer-Upper - Quest Reward, Zul'Drak
384
#15Sempiternal Staff – Chrono-Lord Epoch, Culling of Strat
379
#15Hammer of Wrenching Change – Quest Reward, Icecrown
379
#16Maiden's Dagger – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
362
#17Stave of Youthful Sorrow – Quest Reward, Icecrown
330 (379.28)
#18Chilly Slobberknocker – Quest Reward, Zul'Drak
320 (376)

*Two-handers are compared to one-handers grouped with Handbook of Obscure Remedies (substract 87 for the actual value of the weapon)
Enchant: Mighty Spellpower – Enchanting
63


Off-Hand
#1Handbook of Obscure Remedies – 25 BoH
87
#2Ward of the Violet Citadel – 25 BoH
81 (123.56)
#2Temple Crystal Fragment – Novos the Summoner, Hero Drak'Tharon Keep
81
#3Tome of Salramm – Salramm the Fleshcrafter, Culling of Strat
77
#4Seal of Valgarde – Gortok Palehoof, Utgarde Pinnacle
72
#5Iron-bound Tome – Crafted, Inscription BoE
71
#6Prison Manifest - Rusted Prisoner's Footlocker, Dalaran
66
#7Bonecaster's Endgame - Quest Reward, Icecrown
62
#8Telestra's Journal - Grand Magus Telestra, Hero Nexus
59 (102.68)
#9Glowing Voodoo Orb – Quest Reward, Grizzly Hills
57


Wands
#1Rod of the Fallen Monarch – Anub'arak, Hero Azjol-Nerub
53
#2Wand of Ahnkahet – Herald Volazj, Hero Old Kingdom
42
#3Enchanted Crimson Wand – Crafted, Enchanting BoP
41
#4Wand of the San'layn – Prince Keleseth, Hero Utgarde Keep
40 (55.68)
#5Iceshrieker's Touch – Quest Reward, Storm Peaks
39
#6Wand of Shimmering Scales – Grand Magus Telestra, Nexus
37
#7Touch of Unlife – Quest Reward, Icecrown
36
#7Wand of Sseratus – Slad'ran, Hero Gundrak
36
#8Shinygem Rod – Revered, The Oracles
35
#9Wand of Blinding Light – Quest Reward, Dragonblight
34 (50.8)
#10Brazier Igniter – Svala Sorrowgrave, Utgarde Pinnacle
33
#11Incessant Torch – Trash Drop, Violet Hold
32
#11Ancient Measuring Rod – Loken, Halls of Lightning
32 (44.32)
#11Venture Battle Wand – 30 Venture Coin, Grizzly Hills
32
#11Enchanted White Wand – Crafted, Enchanting BoP
32


Trinkets
A note on trinkets: I have a lot of doubts as to how to value some procs, i'm just copying the methods used in the brga thread, and i have no clue if they work for these too. So bear in mind, this list may not be entirely accurate, the formula i'm posting is [total]=[static]+[proc] if there's a proc involved, so you can judge by yourself)

#1Sundial of the Exiled – 40 EoH
182 =51+131
#2Forge Ember – Sjonnir The Ironshaper, Hero Halls of Stone
159 =45+114
#3Pendulum of Telluric Currents – Mage-Lord Urom, Hero Oculus
121 =44+77 (Proc benefits from Shadowform, Crit Chance and CoE, but not included in Calculations, so the value of this trinket is higher than listed here)
#4Darkmoon Card: Illusion – Darkmoon Faire
100
#5Cannoneer's Fuselighter – Quest Reward, Icecrown
79
#6Darkmoon Card: Death – Darkmoon Faire
65= 50+15 (Proc benefits from Shadowform, Crit Chance and CoE, but not included in Calculations, so the value of this trinket is higher than listed here)
#7Figurine: Twilight Serpent – Crafted, Jewelcrafting BoP
61 (108)
#8Mark of the War Prisoner – Cyanigosa, Hero Violet Hold
58 (140)
#9Badge of the Infiltrator
53
#10Oracle Talisman of Ablution – Exalted, the Oracles
43
#10Spark of Life – Sjonnir the Ironshaper, Hero Halls of Stone
43
#11Frenzyheart Insignia of Fury – Exalted, Frenzyheart Tribe
42
#12Rune of Infinite Power – Quest Reward, Dragonblight
34 (95.6)


There is still work to do, but i hope this helps you plan your gearing for naxx
Klein, Antonidas US



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 Post subject: Re: WotLK - Pre-Raiding Gear List
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:48 am 
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Nice work! I'm sure alot of people will find it helpful.



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 Post subject: Re: WotLK - Pre-Raiding Gear List
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:38 am 
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Great list!!

Couple of very easy to get items you might want to add - not brilliant if you're hit-capped already, but then at this level of gear who is?

Sash of the Wizened Wyrm - Wyrmrest Accord (Honored)
70 (115)

The Argent Skullcap - Quest Reward (Icecrown)
79 (148)

Now back to saving for my Titansteel Guardian... :D


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 Post subject: Re: WotLK - Pre-Raiding Gear List
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:54 am 
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SP_Steve wrote:
Great list!!

Couple of very easy to get items you might want to add - not brilliant if you're hit-capped already, but then at this level of gear who is?

Sash of the Wizened Wyrm - Wyrmrest Accord (Honored)
70 (115)

The Argent Skullcap - Quest Reward (Icecrown)
79 (148)

Now back to saving for my Titansteel Guardian... :D


Added :)
I think i can't even pay the titanium bars... lol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:00 am 
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Titanium bars are sold for ~500g a piece, cooldowns for 100g on Al'Akir. Luckily I have a pally alt who is 450 miner :)

Btw, isn't it kind of pointless to gem pre-raid gear with blues costing 60-130g a piece? Greens are not that much worse and cost a lot less. The +19 spelldamage gem needs exalted rep and only a few JC's have it making the gem extra-expensive. Leftover money can be spent on enchants/gear that make much bigger difference than a blue instead of (perfect) green gem in gemslot.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:11 am 
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You're probably right, I wanted to change some enchants too, i'll do it once I review socket bonuses (for instance, there are a few items with red sockets only and i didn't take the bonus into account...)



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You need to include TBC raiding gear. A lot of people have the old epics still and a good bit of them are still valid into Naxx. My suggestion would be to set a slot limit (say top 15-20) and anything TBC that fits in there put it. I'm pretty certain there will be a good mix of new and old.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:21 am 
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I hate to disagree KJ but as the OP says:

"Note: I have not added anything from Outlands. The reason for this is that i didn't want to add stuff that new players wouldn't have easy access to (say, belt of blasting or spellstrike set, those mats are not-so-easily obtained anymore. Same thing with BoJ items). If you happen to have some pieces that are better than most of what it is posted here, just check their pp value and adjust acordingly... i know i will be keeping my belt of blasting, and probably my badge pants for a while..."

To be honest, anyone epics from TBC that are still of equivalent standard to 80 blues will be T5/T6 standard, in which case you could skip straight to the "WotLK Raid Gear" thread and get raiding ASAP. This list is useful now - and going forward - as a starting point for anyone who wasn't lucky enough to raid at level 70, or needs to fill out a few more slots prior to naxx, much as the "Best Casual Gear" thread was in TBC.

As the OP states, it's easy to use the pseudo-power values quoted in the thread to evaluate any old epics you have left over.

Just my two cents :D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:41 am 
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I actually like how this one does not include any items from Outlands. Good job!



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Thanks man, this will save me ALOT of time. :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:49 am 
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Thank you so much for this.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:40 am 
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This is a great guide, very well done. I would very much like to see trinkets added to the list, perhaps get some help from someone a little more experienced in theorycrafting such as Battlemaid.

In response to some of the other posts, yes I completely agree that this list should not contain TBC items. They would merely clog up the list and only serve as a comparison and not something to aim for.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:42 am 
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Domzae wrote:
This is a great guide, very well done. I would very much like to see trinkets added to the list, perhaps get some help from someone a little more experienced in theorycrafting such as Battlemaid.


I don't mind doing the calculations myself (well, actually, got exams incoming so i might not be able to do it this week, but w/e), but i basically see 3 tipes of trinkets: those with on-use abilities (who have an X min CD and work for Y seconds), those with procs (who have internal CD and a % proc rate), and those that are like the Darkmoon card: crusade, and make you stack it before it reaches full power...
Well, of those three, i have no clue how to calculate that 2nd part of the ability, and it doesn't make sense to rank them based solely on the base spellpower/crit/haste they might give you.



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This thread deserves to be sticky'd.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:20 pm 
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Thank you SO MUCH for putting this together!!

Edit: I've been wondering about trinkets as well. Specifically, I'm wondering when to get rid of my Timbal's Focusing Crystal. I'm not sure if using its lvl70 value from the pre-wotlk raiding gear list works because I don't know if the proc receives the same value at 80 as it did at 70. /shrug

I'm not very good at these things =P


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